If you cook, you know:
At a certain point, we all eat something memorable that we try, desperately, to duplicate. We spend hours trying to get that one flavor right; we tweak and edit and adjust and massage, just to get the correct color and consistency and general vibe. And it’s a rare occasion that we succeed.
But should we succeed? Should the Holsteiner Schnitzel I made last weekend really be exactly like the famous Luchow’s version that I used to share with my father in the 1970s a few years before the place closed? I’m not asking can it be—with identical ingredients and method (and skill), of course it can. But should it? How about my grandmother’s Hungarian goulash, or my Aunt Lena’s knishes, or the cabbage strudel from the long-defunct Mrs. Herbst Bakery, or your southern grandmother’s fried chicken?
This is the foggy gray line—a culinary DMZ—across which sits the murky bog that comprises taste memory, emotional accuracy, cognitive ability, and desire; cross over into the ghostly mists, and you could disappear altogether, like James Earl Jones in an Iowa cornfield. He wants to know, to feel, and to taste a past so badly that he’s willing to fall, biblically, to desire, and vanish completely. Applied to the world of food and memory, if we succeed in duplicating something from long ago whose taste lodged itself deep in the recesses of our cerebellum, does it somehow dilute the meaning—or the actual quality—of the original experience? And if we don’t succeed, does it tarnish the dish as we remember it?
One blustery Sunday afternoon fifteen years ago, my friend Adriana called up and asked if I wanted to join her for lunch at a now-defunct, much-loved trattoria in Greenwich Village. Perched on a corner of Carmine Street and Bleecker where Trattoria Spaghetto now stands, it was tiny and the sort of placed that served wine (any wine) out of carafes and scratched water glasses. Raised in New York City, I’d never been there, although I’d walked past it a thousand times since childhood. The wind howled, we sat down, and for the first time in my life, I ordered soup for lunch. (We have a thing in my family about soup not being enough to constitute a proper meal.)
Something called Green Minestrone showed up, and I still have no idea what compelled me to order it. It was served with some plain semolina bread from Zito’s. We had a bottle of Orvieto with it, decanted into a carafe and served in water glasses. It warmed me, the conversation was good, and then we went home—me to my small Manhattan studio apartment, and she, to her place in Carroll Gardens.
A nice bowl of soup on a frigid day. Big deal.
But ever since that afternoon, I have lusted for it to the point of near-obsession. It was bright green and wildly fragrant, with a combination of vegetables which had to have included escarole, spinach, kale, and maybe some chard; there was some ditalini involved, along with a few quartered potatoes, string beans, and some cannelinni. There was garlic, and probably leek. The broth was a chicken stock, and a hefty grating of Parmigiana Reggiano sat fraying on its surface, along with a drizzle of olive oil so fruity that you could smell it from across the room.
I looked, but I never found an accurate recipe for it; I asked all of my chef friends and Italian cookbook authors well-known and not, and they scratched their heads when I described it (some said it was a classic, but not with potatoes; some said the kitchen probably just had leftover potatoes kicking around; some said it was only ever correctly made with only escarole, and others said that prosciutto would never be used). And in all these years, it never once occurred to me to just try and make it the way I remember it, which is peculiar when your life centers professionally and profoundly around food. But last night, when Susan came home from her first day back at work after the holiday, I decided to try; she’s on the South Beach Diet so I had to eliminate the pasta and the potatoes, but for some reason, it didn’t matter to me.
Still, I was like a woman on a mission; I checked all my books again, along with my kitchen notebooks dating back to the 1990s. Nothing. I emailed Deborah Madison and asked her if she’d ever heard of it; she said she hadn’t but that it sounded great. I was as nervous and unsure of myself as a new cook whose husband has just requested she prepare oysters and pearls from The French Laundry for a romantic dinner. Why?
I was afraid that the original experience—rife with sentiment and Proustian overload—would be sullied if I duplicated it perfectly, and worse still if I screwed it up: I wanted the greens to be thick and bright and fresh the way they were in the restaurant, and the garlicky broth to be fat and round. But I also wanted it to be a frigid afternoon in the 1990s when I was in my early 30s, when I had no mortgage and no car, and I could just call up my late Dad and meet him and my stepmother for dinner in Brooklyn; I wanted it to be the soup and the situation about which I waxed rhapsodic to Susan for over a decade, but ruthlessly withheld because I was too big a chicken to attempt the dish and too wistful to try and recreate another time in my life that, with many of its people, is gone.
So why now?
Maybe it’s a combination of age and longing and being settled. Perhaps it’s because I’ve been on something of a soup kick these days and there are not a lot of them that I honestly love and could eat every day. Maybe it’s the knowledge that that restaurant is long gone, and so there’s no chance of my getting back there and saying to myself, “well, mine stinks by comparison.” Or maybe I’m finally okay with the idea putting my own spin on something so iconic, even if it winds up being very different.
Or it could be that I just adore my partner so much that I want to finally share with her the one soup dish that stuck in my memory for a long, long time.
I never have made my Aunt Lena’s knishes, and even though I have the recipe card for it, I likely never will. Knishes are just too fraught, and Lena was one tough cookie. But conjuring up a simple, elemental meal that was dense with perfection and served to me on an icy afternoon not unlike this one—well, that’s a risk that I can now take, if only for love.
Green Minestrone
I’m certain there are as many variations of this recipe as there are soup lovers; omit the prosciutto (but add a sprig of rosemary), the cheese, and replace the chicken with vegetable stock and it becomes vegan. Add potatoes (as the trattoria did) and it gives the soup a certain heft. Add garbanzos to it in addition to the white beans, or instead of. Add peas, or don’t. If it’s spring and the vegetables are young and tender, give the whole thing a whir in a blender, chill it, and serve it cold with a dollop of creme fraiche instead of the Parmigiana Reggiano. I used Lacinato kale in my version because it was what I had, and what was fresh; go ahead and experiment, and make this dish your own. My memory won’t be glaring over your shoulder.
Serves 4
2 tablespoons extra virgin olive oil
2 slices prosciutto, sliced into short strips
1 small onion, chopped
1 medium leek, white part only, chopped
2 ribs celery, diced
2 plump garlic cloves, minced
1 Bay leaf
16 ounces cooked and drained white beans
freshly ground black pepper, to taste
salt, to taste
8 cups chicken stock (or vegetable stock)
A pound of kale, chard, escarole and spinach washed well, stemmed, and chopped
1/2 cup cooked ditalini pasta
1 cup fresh baby peas (good quality frozen peas are fine)
Parmigiana Reggiano, for grating
Good quality extra virgin olive oil, for drizzling
Heat the oil in a large soup pot set over medium heat until shimmering. Add the prosciutto and cook until it begins to lose its redness, about five minutes. Add the onion, leek, celery, and garlic to the pot, reduce the heat slightly, and cook slowly, stirring frequently, until they’ve all softened and become fragrant, about six to eight minutes.
Add the bay leaf and the white beans to the pot, give it a stir and a few grinds of fresh black pepper. Taste the contents and add salt judiciously (you may not have to at all, because of the prosciutto). Pour in the stock, stir it, and raise the heat to bring the pot to a boil for a minute or two. Reduce heat to a simmer for five minutes, then fold in the kale and chard handful by handful. Cook for about eight to ten minutes, until they’ve completely wilted but are still bright green, and then add the escarole and spinach. Let simmer untouched for about two minutes.
Stir in the ditalini and the peas, and continue to cook for another six minutes. Ladle into warm soup bowls and top with a substantial grating of fresh Parmigiana Reggiano and a drizzle of excellent quality olive oil.
Serve immediately, with fresh Italian bread.




I think you should, especially if it is a special taste/sense memory. It’s why every couple of years I need to make Veal Piccata. I am not even sure I like the dish, but it was the first veal dish I had ever ordered, and the last restaurant meal I ever hat with my Mother.
PS. if you want to double-check that Schnitzel recipe I have the Luchow’s cookbook. 😉
Scotty, I have it too…..
This made me feel incedibly nostalgic for that perfect cappuccino I had in Pisa, and end even nore for that once in a lifetime pasta with wild boar in Lucca.
Love the article! I had a similar experience with potato knishes. My grandma used to make wonderful knishes with potato, and meat-and-potato fillings. They were the hit of our family parties, and we had to watch Cousin Len or he’d eat every one. They were very small–2 inches in diameter by 1/2 inch high max, with very flaky phyllo outsides. When I tried to copy Grandma’s recipe, the fillings all exploded–making the knishes look like little Pac-Men sticking out their tongues.
Um, Nina….we’re talking about the same Lena. Remember….we’re first cousins.
Have you read “Zuppa” by Anne Bianchi? On pg. 54 there is a Minestra Verdissima, (very green soup). This cookbook has been my soup Bible for years.A great read if you would enjoy the history of Italian soups as well as creating some of the best soups I’ve ever enjoyed,gulped or dreamed about. Favorite, “Zuppa Alla Frantoniana”pg. 175, the ultimate bean and vegetable soup ( the essentials celery,oniion,garlic,carrots… as well as, vegetable or chicken broth, leeks fennel,Swiss chard,cabbage,kale,peas,zucchinni,butternut squash,potatoes, cannellini,sage,thyme,nutmeg. Serve over thick slices of stale bread and drizzle with olive oil.
Margaret, I haven’t read it, but I’m ordering it IMMEDIATELY. Thanks SO much for your comment!
I was at that restaurant in the 90’s and I remember that soup too, and the Zito’s bread! I have similar longing and had a similar experience too!!!! But interestingly, when I tried to duplicate it some time ago, the recipe I used was quite different! Interesting how people’s perceptions are different – I swore up and down that they used split peas and one time I made a combination split pea/vegetable soup that I thought was pretty good. I don’t remember the ditalini or potatoes but then again it was over 20 years ago!
Sounds like a totally different soup! I know there’s a Genovese version that uses peas, though—
Wow!I just found your blog because I was suddenly craving that very soup after many decades and thought I might try to recreate it myself. In the early 1980s I worked on Cornelia street, around the corner from that little place, and for about four years I had their green minestrone for lunch nearly every week in cool weather. It made a fine meal with the Zito’s bread and cheese on top. I didn’t cook back then (was in my early 20s), but I remember it with lots of garlic, escarole and definitely a base of split peas. No prosciutto or ditalini. Maybe they changed the recipe? Anyway, thanks for the nostalgic trip back to the Village!
Just had to say thanks. I was craving that soup today (I obsess about it occasionally) and had the same thought! I’ll make it myself. But then I thought, I love that soup so much that I bet another good cook out there has tried to rip it off as well. So I did a google search and found your post, cracked me up. Anyway…the soup I had always had zucchini, broccoli and no ditalini or escarole! And we used to eat it weekly on Sunday brunch…so they obviously change it up depending on what they have around. Thanks for setting me up with extra confidence to give it a go.
I, too, obsess over the green minestrone from Bleecker Street Luncheonette. At least once a year, I go online hoping that someone has miraculously found and published the recipe. Not only was the soup one of the most delicious I ever had(and I long for it), the gestalt of the place was quintessential NY to me. I long for that too, neighborhoods, affordable eateries without prevention but with spectacular food, being restored by hot soup before walking more miles on the streets. I’m going to try your recipe – or to east use it a s a base from which to create what best replicates my memory. For the record, I remember a split pea-like base; there was definitely a pureed presence in that soup.
Thank you Janet—I’m so glad to hear that I’m not the only one who remembers that soup! And yes, I think you’re correct about the base……Many thanks!
Everyone who tried the Green Minestrone from Bleecker Luncheonette remembers it fondly. The restaurant that replaced it Trattoria Spaghetto was run by two men who worked at its predecessor (that cranky old man who cooked the pasta so diligently) and the last time I went there, green minestrone was still on the menu and was the same as it ever was. That’s a great old school restaurant. I’m going to go there tomorrow and will report back.
Please do! Lovely to hear from you!
I used to eat that soup often, Bleecker Luncheonette was around the corner from my husbands shop on Downing St. ( shop long closed ) I LOVED THAT SOUP! What brought me to this post , however, was looking for Zito semolina bread recipe…which is impossible ….we’ve been baking our bread the past 5 years…and use the no knead method…..recently my husband decided to try to replicate Zito sweet semolina loaf….so far no luck. I am now craving the green minostrone soup! ….also will check out that soup cookbook mentioned.